№ 38. April 20, 3105 BC: Proto-Saturn explodes and floods the Earth (the biblical deluge)

PAGE STATUS: What can I say? This is page is a mess right now, but it’s still my baby. There is profound wisdom on this page, some of the best work of my life, moments of realization that will remain with me as does the memories of other men’s (more normal) lives when they asked a lover to marry them or witnessed the birth of their first child. But this work is unrecognized and my guess is that it shall forever remain so. I am speaking mainly of the realization of the significance of Noah’s flood being caused by rain, which clearly links it to the explosion of Proto-Saturn and the subsequent disintegration of the polar configuration. To this, I would add the significance of Seneca the Younger describing the polar configuration of the planets thousands of years ago and the realization that Plato never mentions a bright light when discussing the end of the Atlantis culture. Rooms of so-called “scientists” and multi-million dollar equipment were never going to lead to such realizations. However, thinking does.
LAST UPDATE: January 8, 2021

This is where it all started for me. It really did rain for “forty days and forty nights.” Wow! We have no idea of the destructive forces unleashed in our Solar System’s past. And we are being led like lambs to the slaughter. 

Indomitable! If the Arabian proverb “Judge a man by the reputation of his enemies” has any meaning whatsoever, Immanuel Velikovsky is one of the greatest men to walk the planet since the Nazarene and Bard. I take great pride in following in the footsteps of all three.

“Don’t be afraid to face the facts, and never lose your ability to ask the questions: Why? and How?”

—Immanuel Velikovsky

“God’s covenant with Noah” in Genesis 9:8-17 does not apply

I see no point in pulling my punches on this particular religious insanity. On page № 102. There are No Prophets, I explain why I think it is preposterous to believe that “God”—or the fabric of the universe as I like to think of the “I am that I am” essence of being—talks to a select class of individuals (usually men) referred to as “prophets.” This anthropomorphic concept of the “big guy in the sky”—as George Carlon describes it—is sheer delusion, the mark of a primitive people. A certain class of thinkers will dismiss my work on this basis and think of me as evil for saying so. So be it. I had little chance of ever reaching this class of thinkers in the first place. They are waiting for the Third Temple to be built not realizing the progenitors of the people in and around Denver, Colorado who control access to the multi-trillion dollar granite tunnel system in the Pikes Peak batholith wrote that book and planted it in the Bible. This is not a game that suffers fools.

So what is this biblical text saying?

Genesis 9:8-17

And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,

And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.

And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

I am not introducing this page with a mindless attack on traditional Judaic and Christian beliefs. There is a point I want to make. As you read this page, keep this “promise” in mind. What the writer is saying is that the explosion of Proto-Saturn and the subsequent flooding of Earth was a one-off event. It will not happen again, at least not at the end of this world. If you take this as the meaning of Genesis 9:8-17 then you have learned a valuable lesson because I assure you the world is about to be flooded again, and much more violently than in the aftermath of the Proto-Saturn nova. However, this text is correct in that in the aftermath of an Earth crustal displacement portions of the planet, such as the interior of Russia, will not flood because they are too far from large bodies of water such as oceans, seas, and exceptionally large lakes. 

This difference between a “deluge” caused by “forty days and forty nights” (the forty being biblical speak for an unimaginable amount of rain) is skimmed over in a 1933 film that caught my attention because of the year in which is was released (MCMXXXIII is Roman numerals for 1933). I honestly believe this is an early version of the Tomorrowland film, and for that reason deserves study. It references “God’s covenant with Noah” at the start of the film, but the destruction depicted in the film clearly comes not from rain but from something akin to an Earth crustal displacement in which coastal cities such as New York City are erased in a few short hours. These are some pretty impressive special effects for the time. I say it is something akin to an Earth crustal displacement because there are violent earthquakes everywhere. What the film leaves out is the volcanic eruptions that will darken the skies for months or years afterward. 

Am I serious? Yes, I truly believe this film was made by the progeny of Jove. It has clear parallels in Tomorrowland, especially in the promise of a better tomorrow. Watch it from this perspective,—the progeny of Jove providing inspiration to their own. Denver, Colorado was founded on November 22, 1858, 75 years earlier. This film provided them with a visualization of what they are working for. You really should take the time to watch this.

RUNTIME: 1:06:04
TITLE: Deluge (1933 pre-Code Apocalyptic Sci-Fi, Drama film)
CHANNEL: Tesla Wireless Radio
POSTED: December 18, 2020
VIEWS: 123,196 views as of January 12, 2021

Whatever you take away from this early Hollywood depiction of an Earth crustal displacement, my main point is that you should not confuse what happened in 3105 BC with an Earth crustal displacement. The “covenant” God supposedly made with Noah was not to flood the world again with torrential, non-stop rain. And of course, this will not happen again because Saturn is a gas giant in a very distant orbit, not the “Sun” or brown dwarf remembered by our ancestors. But an Earth crustal displacement is an order of magnitude more violent than what happened in 3105 BC and almost as deadly. Very few people will survive. I suspect the 500,000,000 mentioned on the Georgia Guidestones markedly underestimates the death toll of an Earth crustal displacement. 

The polar configuration of the planets at midnight with Proto-Saturn in the background, Venus (bright white), and then Mars. The crescent shape is the Sun shining on Proto-Saturn. Saturn was known as the “Sun of Night.” It was never fully dark in the last world before the biblical deluge and the planets were regarded as gods because they loomed so large in the sky.

The definition of Proto-Saturn and the polar configuration of the planets

First some terminology for those readers unfamiliar or unacquainted with the hidden truth about our Solar System’s catastrophic past. This is one of the few sections I duplicate on different pages because it is so important for the reader to understand what is meant by Proto-Saturn and the polar configuration of the planets. These concepts are not taught in the schools, yet they are critical to understanding the work of such advanced thinkers as Immanuel Velikovsky, David Talbott of The Thunderbolts Project™, and Wallace Thornhill of the Electric Universe. These men are studying our Solar System’s hidden catastrophic past in order to better understand the future of life on this planet. 

Prior to 3105 BC when “Proto-Saturn” exploded (some people think I should use the term nova to explain what happened), the planets were much closer together and orbited the Sun all in a straight line with the north pole of one planet facing the south pole of the planet in front of it.

The word polar is defined as “relating to the North or South Pole.” Thus this ancient configuration of planets is known as the “polar configuration” because the North Pole of Earth pointed to the south pole of Mars; the north pole of Mars pointed to the south pole of Venus; the north pole of Venus pointed to the south pole of Proto-Saturn; and finally (you guessed it), the north pole of Proto-Saturn pointed to the south pole of Jupiter. This configuration is also referred to as an axial alignment of planets or a collinear system.

Jupiter is often not depicted in artist’s renditions of the polar configuration of the planets. There is a good reason for this. Proto-Saturn was larger than Jupiter. Hence, Jupiter was not visible from Earth. And of course, Venus and Mars were much smaller, so Proto-Saturn dominated the sky. Being in an axial alignment, Proto-Saturn was in the same fixed position as a “pole star.” Polaris, sometimes referred to as the North Star, now occupies that very special, unchanging position in the night sky above the Northern Hemisphere known as the north celestial pole or more simply, the North Pole.

SenecaThe term polar configuration was coined by modern comparative mythologist David Talbott, but the polar configuration of the planets was described much earlier by by Lucius Annaeus Seneca (Seneca the Younger) in Naturales quaestiones when he wrote, “…when the planets, which now move in different orbits, all assemble in Cancer, so arranged in one row that a straight line may pass through their spheres.”

Proto-Saturn was more like a star than a gas giant, and it did not have rings back then. In Mesopotamia, Proto-Saturn was often referred to as the Sun, a fact that perplexes modern academia. It was much closer to Earth and loomed so large in the sky that our ancestors regarded it as a god. Hence the term Proto-Saturn to differentiate this “god” of our ancestors from the distant planet you and I know of as Saturn. This is the true history of our Solar System which is being hidden from us because the progeny of Jove want you to believe in uniformitarianism (or gradualism) so that you will think people like me—telling you the world is about to end—are batshit crazy. (For the record, they are winning that battle.)

It is said that throughout the Golden Age the planets stood in line.

David Talbott

Modern cosmology, based as it is on uniformitarianism (read nothing ever changes) cannot accept that the planets were once orbited the Sun in a straight line. But Wallace Thornhill was keen to point out that, after Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 broke apart, the perfect alignment the fragments assumed before they dove into Jupiter reminded him of David Talbott’s polar configuration.

Presumably, there is an electromagnetic explanation for this as well as for the polar configuration of the planets. Why else would the fragments have assumed this perfect alignment?

TITLE: Discourses on an Alien Sky #8 | Visualizing the Polar Configuration
CHANNEL: ThunderboltsProject 
POSTED: March 28, 2015
VIEWS: 37,191 views as of January 11, 2021
In the “alien” sky of the polar configuration, the planets were huge. They did not look like “pinpricks of light,” “minute specks” (both David Talbott expressions) or “moving stars” as we think of them now.
Title page for In the Beginning

IN THE BEGINNING by Immanuel Velikovsky

The first thing I want to do in writing this page is to establish that Immanuel Velikovsky thought the water in Earth’s oceans was from Saturn, or what is referred to as Proto-Saturn in this context. His writing on this subject was removed from World’s in Collision at the suggestion of the publisher and is now contained in an unpublished book entitled In the Beginning. I’ll let his research assistant explain.

I have been asked by the compliers of the Velikovsky archive to briefly describe the present condition of Velikovsky’s unpublished manuscript entitled In the Beginning. As Velikovsky explains, parts of this volume were already complete in the 1940s and originally formed part of Worlds in Collision. The present manuscript also incorporates material written for a volume entitled The Test of Time, which dealt with the new information on the planets coming from the space probes, and contained frequent allusions to the earlier catastrophes; this work will probably never see publication. Other material included in this manuscript comes from Velikovsky’s lectures and other scattered writings. During the time that I worked for Velikovsky (1976-1978) one of my tasks was to complete the cataloguing of his library notes, mostly from the 1940s. The headings of the catalogue generally corresponded to the section headings in Worlds in Collision and In the Beginning. The completion of In the Beginning was a cooperative effort between Velikovsky and myself. After Velikovsky’s passing, when I returned to Princeton to work on his archive, I systematically moved the parts contributed by me into the notes apparatus and this is how this material appears in the unpublished manuscript.

Jan Sammer, A Technical Note

For the reader’s convenience, I recreate the index for In the Beginning below. My links are set to change colors once followed. So you can use this index as I do to keep track of what you have read. For the record, I regard this as some of the most important work ever written. It deserves a place next to the Bible in terms of understanding the world in which you live.

Important Note

Leaving aside the technical issues addressed in these papers, the main point for the reader to realize is that these are historically accurate descriptions of what happened in 3105 BC. They are not religious and they are not vague reminisces written is a flowery language subject to wild interpretations. Immanuel Velikovsky is quoting from disrespected and ignored history books written not long after what happened. The other immensely important point to take away from In The Beginning is that the Bible is first and foremost a historical record of the planetary catastrophe of 3105 BC. The papers related to the water in Earth’s oceans are marked with an asterisk followed by a parenthetical note summarizing their main point. You must read these before proceeding.





The water on Earth has the same D/H isotropic ratio as Saturn’s rings  implying it is from Proto-Saturn as Immanuel Velikovsky and historical records suggest

The longer I work on this website, the more I realize that it simply is not possible to emphasize the importance of some subjects enough. The individual must come to a realization of the significance of something like the unexpected similarity of Saturn’s water to the water on Earth on their own. This requires a commitment to discovering the truth that few people possess. Most of our lives are spent seeking distractions from the hardships of living. There is little time for the pursuit of truth.

Before watching the YouTube below, allow me to succinctly state the significance of this new scientific proof for Immanuel Velikovsky’s assertion that the water in Earth’s oceans is from Proto-Saturn.

  • POLAR CONFIGURATION: This confirms the existence of the polar configuration (the proximity of Saturn and Earth) unlike anything else could. However, in order to make this point, I must contradict Immanuel Velikovsky who suggests that Saturn was the same distance from Earth as it is now when it exploded. I do so in the following subsection. The polar configuration of the planets prior to 3105 BC when Proto-Saturis fully explained in Catastrophism 101 (a five-step YouTube video course) on page № 82. David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill
  • GENESIS: The book of Genesis in the Bible refers specifically to the genesis of the Fifth World in which we now live, not to the origins of the planet. Young Earth creationists, who I hold in the greatest of contempt, fail to realize this most fundamental truth about the Bible. 
  • BIBLICAL DELUGE (NOAH’S FLOOD): The same water that formed Saturn’s rings after it went nova flooded the Earth, quite possibly raining down on Earth for “forty days and forty nights” and flooding the entire world exactly as reported in Genesis 7:12 of the Bible and in the myths and legends of people all over the world. The biblical deluge is not an exaggeration. It is a fact. 

The D/H ratio is the ratio of deuterium (heavy hydrogen, 2H) and hydrogen (1H)

In a righteous universe, this YouTube video would have over four billion views. The people are asleep.

2 Peter 3:16
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

RUNTIME: 17:06
TITLEWal Thornhill: Blockbuster – Saturn/Earth Connection Confirmed | Space News
POSTED: December 28, 2019
VIEWS: 83,040 views as of January 10, 2021

What follows is a copy of the article mentioned at the start of the video. Please note that the focus of this article is considerably different than what is being presented here.

The water in Saturn’s rings and satellites is like that on Earth except for moon Phoebe, which is out of this world


Above image lower left: Cassini VIMS infrared view of Saturn. Blue is infrared light where water ice reflects relatively brightly. Red is longer wavelength thermal emission showing heat from deep inside the planet. Green is infrared wavelengths where aurora emit light. Above image upper right: Phoebe in visible light. Phoebe is very dark, like charcoal whereas the rings are very bright in visible light like slightly dirty snow. Phoebe is not to scale relative to Saturn. Credit: NASA, JPL, VIMS Team, ISS Team, U. Arizona, D. Machacek, U. Leicester

By developing a new method for measuring isotopic ratios of water and carbon dioxide remotely, scientists have found that the water in Saturn’s rings and satellites is unexpectedly like water on the Earth, except on Saturn’s moon Phoebe, where the water is more unusual than on any other object so far studied in the Solar System.

The results, found in the Icarus paper “Isotopic Ratios of Saturn’s Rings and Satellites: Implications for the Origin of Water and Phoebe” by Planetary Science Institute Senior Scientist Roger N. Clark, also mean we need to change models of the formation of the Solar System because the new results are in conflict with existing models. Robert H. Brown (U. Arizona), Dale P. Cruikshank (NASA), and Gregg A. Swayze (USGS) are co-authors.

Isotopes are different forms of elements but with differing numbers of neutrons. Adding a neutron adds mass to the element, and that can change processes of how a planet, comet, or moon is formed. Water is composed of two hydrogen (H) atoms and one oxygen atom, H2O. Adding a neutron to one hydrogen atom, then called deuterium (D), increases the mass of a water molecule (HDO) by about 5 percent, and that small change results in isotopic differences in the formation of a planet, moon, or comet, and changes the evaporation of water after formation. The deuterium to hydrogen ratio (D/H) is a fingerprint of the formation conditions, including temperature and evolution over time. Evaporating water enriches deuterium in the remaining surface.

Models for the formation of the Solar System indicate that the D/H should be much higher in the colder outer Solar System than in the hotter inner system where the Earth formed. Deuterium is more abundant in cold molecular clouds. Some models predict the D/H should be 10 times higher for the Saturn system than on Earth. But the new measurements show this is not the case for Saturn’s rings and satellites except Saturn’s moon Phoebe.

The discovery of an unusual deuterium to hydrogen isotopic ratio (D/H) for Saturn’s moon Phoebe means it was formed in and comes from a far part of the Solar System, Clark said. “Phoebe’s D/H ratio is the highest value yet measured in the Solar System, implying an origin in the cold outer Solar System far beyond Saturn.”

The team also measured the carbon-13 to carbon-12 (13C/12C) ratio on Saturn’s moon Iapetus and Phoebe. Iapetus, which also has D/H similar to Earth, also has 13C/12C close to Earth’s values, but Phoebe is almost five times higher in the carbon isotope. The carbon dioxide presence places limits on how much of Phoebe could have evaporated to space after formation, leaving the only possibility that Phoebe formed in the very cold outer reaches of the Solar System, much further out than Saturn, and was subsequently perturbed into an orbit where it was captured by Saturn. Exactly how far out Phoebe originated is unknown. There are currently no measurements of D/H or 13C/12C for the icy surfaces on Pluto or Kuiper Belt objects beyond Pluto, but this new methodology will enable us to make such measurements of the surface ices.

The measurements were made from the NASA Cassini spacecraft using the Visual and Infrared Mapping Spectrometer (VIMS) over the course of the mission. An improved calibration of the instrument, completed early in 2018, enabled the precision needed for these measurements of reflected light from the rings and satellites. The new method of measuring isotopic ratios on solids like water ice and carbon dioxide ice using reflectance spectroscopy remotely will enable measurements of isotopic ratios for other objects throughout the Solar System, putting further constraints on models of Solar System formation.

The Saturn system D/H values close to the Earth’s values imply a similar water source for the inner and outer Solar System, and new models need to be developed where the change from inner to outer Solar System is less.

The NASA Europa Clipper mission could be used to measure isotopic ratios on the icy Galilean satellites around Jupiter, and Clark is a Co-Investigator on the mission and hopes to make such measurements.

Planetary Science Institute, The water in Saturn’s rings and satellites is like that on Earth except for moon Phoebe, which is out of this world, December 3, 2018 [emphasis added]

Finally, here is the actual scientific paper.

The Immanuel Velikovsky contradiction

Based on the following, arguably self-evident facts, Immanuel Velikovsky contradicts himself, or at the very least leaves us with a riddle of which he either not conscious or about which he chose to offer no comment.

  • SATURN’S RINGS VISIBLE FROM EARTH: In The Rings of Saturn, Velikovsky makes it abundantly clear that the rings of Saturn “were visible to the naked eye at some time in the past” to people all over the globe including even such primitive cultures as the “aboriginees [sic] of America before Columbus discovered the land” and the “Maoris of New Zealand.” 
  • NO EVIDENCE OF ADVANCED LENSES IN EXISTENCE WORLDWIDE: In the case of the Greeks, he speculates that they “possessed lenses adapted for the observation of celestial bodies.” Then further along he notes that “Saturn is encircled by two groups of rings—one larger and one smaller, with a space in between. To see this a better telescope than that used by Galilei or that used by Huygens is needed.” It is in fact for me to imagine the ancient Greeks (the progeny of Jove in their day) possessed such advanced telescopic lenses from a previous world age, but I seriously doubt the “aboriginees [sic] of America before Columbus discovered the land” or the “Maoris of New Zealand” did. Furthermore, there would be physical and documentary evidence of the existence of such advanced telescopic lenses had they existed all over the world a few thousand years ago and there is no such evidence. It was therefore unreasonable for Velikovsky to even suggest this as one possible explanation. The only possible explanation, as he says in the same paper is that “at some time in the past Saturn and Earth appear to have been closer to one another.”
  • TIMING OF THE ARRIVAL OF LIGHT VERSUS PLASMA OR MOLECULES: This is the crux of the contradiction. Velikovsky theorizes that 

In the myth it is said that Jupiter drove Saturn away and that on this occasion Saturn was put in chains. If these words mean what they say and are not a meaningless portion of the myth—in a dream, at least, there are no meaningless parts—then the knowledge of the ancients about the rings of Saturn could have been acquired because of better visibility: in other words, at some time in the past Saturn and Earth appear to have been closer to one another.

1,079,252,848.8 kph
1,600,000 kph x 24 = 38,400,000 per day x 7 = 268,800,000
1,600,000 kph (plasma from a CME)

Saturn is 1.2 billion km, roughly 7 AU, from the Earth when the two are at their closest approach to one another. They are 1.67 billion km

The Light of the Seven days includes this paragraph:

The light of the seven days was not of solar origin. Of what origin was it? Was it caused by brightly illuminated clouds of ionized hydrogen, or protons, hurled throughout the solar system and poured on earth? In the latter case they could have arrived from the present distance of Saturn in about a week, considering that the proton particles—ionized hydrogen—arrive from the sun in the space of twenty-five hours. This is the time which elapses from a flare-up on the sun (protuberance) to the display of the polar lights—the aurora borealis.

The Light of the Seven Days, Immanuel Velikovsky [emphasis added]

Nowhere in The Light of the Seven Days does Immanuel Velikovsky report the light getting brighter and brighter as one might suspect had it been coming for seven days “from the present distance of Saturn.” Surely the ancients would have remembered this light as having originated at a great distance in such a case.

But more importantly 

Here is the problem. Had such advanced optics existed all over the world, there would be some record of this in history. Indeed, I believe such advanced optics did exist, but in the hands of a few (the progeny of Jove), not all over the world. This is self-evidently not true in the timeframe under discussion.

What happened?

In short what happened is that Proto-Saturn exploded (think “Proto-Saturn goes nova”) in one of the final acts of the end of the polar configuration of the planets that so dominated life on Earth before 3100 BC. What followed was a profound electromagnetic disturbance throughout the Solar System. This resulted in an axial tilt on Earth some 5,000 years ago that is remembered to this very day as the biblical deluge. What happened though was so much more than Noah’s Flood. It was the genesis of the Fifth World in which we now live and which is about to be utterly destroyed because the very same electromagnetic disturbance that caused Proto-Saturn to explode is right now causing our Sun to become so quiet that galactic cosmic rays and the consequential extreme weather will be a part of our life from now until the end of the Fifth World a few short years from now. In other words, it’s happening all over again.

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What is causing this electromagnetic disturbance? It can only be one thing: Sirius. At five different times in our 25,600 year binary dance with this gravitational behemoth, the electromagnetic balance in our Solar System is profoundly disturbed and the planets are severely impacted. Always this involves an axial tilt on Earth with its “wide oceans” that effectively wipes the surface of the planet clean and life begins anew. This is why humans have no memory. Immanuel Velikovsky referred to it as amnesia. I think we live on the only inhabitable planet in what is essentially a defective Solar System, one that is parked way too close to the gravitational behemoth Sirius.

Why is this happening now? What we know are two things. At some time in the “recent” past, the Sirius star system and our Solar System were at their furthest distance apart in their respective orbits, or what is called aphelion, approximately 8.58 light-years. Here I would only note that most depictions of these two helical orbits are overly simplistic, to put it mildly. Idiotic might be a better term. Elliptical no more describes orbital paths than does circular for both fail to take into account the movement of the bodies through space at unimaginable speeds. The second thing we know is that gravity is instantaneous even across vast distances such as this. So the change in movement of the Sirius star system away from our Solar System to the movement of the two star systems heading towards each other is far more significant than people who do not understand gravity think.

Contrary to what most people think or imagine, aphelion evidently is far more significant than perihelion in our binary dance with the Sirius star system.

This is called the Age of Aquarius because the Sun is reacting to this change by entering into a period of dormancy (or hibernation if you prefer). This aspect of what is happening is discussed on page № 19. Our last few years on earth (“the beginning of sorrows”). For the sake of argument, I have aligned my presentation of the Maya Long Count calendar so that the birth of Venus occurs at 9500 BC when everyone thinks the planet was utterly destroyed. But I created page № 35. The Problem with Time prior to March 23, 687 BC primarily to discuss the problem of radiocarbon dating prior to that date, the last of our close encounters with Mars which gave rise to Rome and the God of War. So much thought is given to the comet Venus that gave rise to the story of the Exodus that people fail to realize our close encounters with Mars were far more destructive. The explosion of Proto-Saturn and the close approach of cometary bodies now regarded as the planets Venus and Mars completely invalidate the assumptions of radiocarbon dating. The truth is that we cannot date anything prior to March 23, 687 BC using this technique. Nothing! It does not work. In fact, radiocarbon dating prior to this date is worse than useless because people think it actually works.

What is really disturbing is that the ancients and Old Testament “prophets” are telling this time will be even more devastating than in the past. Even Christ Jesus says that this time mankind faces extinction. What do they know? What does the progeny of Jove know?

I suspect very strongly that the birth of Venus or what is popularly being discussed nowadays as the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis is actually the Genesis of the Fourth World circa 8231 BC, the last time this happened. (See the Maya Long Count calendar above.) This view is roughly supported by the Greenland GISP2 ice core temperatures for the last 10,000 years. But then again, I have very little faith in ice core temperature records. In the end, knowing what happened involves a little common sense. In an electromagnetic universe, what is it that is close enough to our Solar System to cause this level of destruction? There is only one answer: Sirius. Mainstream science cannot see this because they cannot admit that they are mathematically insane and everything they think they know is wrong. The electric universe team is not willing to ask when exactly Venus was born or Proto-Saturn exploded, the two events that undoubtedly are responsible for 9500 BC and 3100 BC respectively, because they are preoccupied seeking the respect and recognition of the mathematically insane mainstream (or consensus) science and academia they themselves have exposed as a modern-day version of “The Emperor’s New Clothes.” And so it is left to me (because frankly, I know of no one else doing so) to ask the obvious questions of, If Venus was recently “born” from Jupiter (as perhaps are all rocky planets ejected from gas giants) and Proto-Saturn recently exploded or went nova, would this not have had devastating consequences for our planet? And if the answer is Yes, as it must be, then When did these two things happen? The answer is obvious, 9500 BC and 3100 BC respectively. And once you ask these simple questions, everything starts to fall into place because it is obvious that “death from above” would be routine and last for hundreds of years after these two rather spectacular events. So for example, Watson Brake (3100 BC) and Poverty Point (the comet Venus) are clearly mounds built close to a water supply intended to protect their inhabitants from debris falling from the sky. The so-called Mound Builders were just people trying to stay alive. (I am using the term debris loosely. No one alive knows what it is like to live on Earth in the aftermath of a nearby gas giant ejecting a rocky planet the size of Venus or another gas giant going nova, or planet-sized comets bumping up against our magnetosphere. It nevertheless happened. And what seems obvious to me, given the structures built all over the world during these times, is that death rained from the skies for hundreds of years afterward.)

The return of the “gods in our lifetime

I think these catastrophic electromagnetic disturbances to our Solar System occur with clockwork regularity. Few people can grasp the destructive forces unleashed when this happens. It is best described in the book Cataclysm!: Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500 B.C. written by D. S. Allan and J. B. Delair. Let us be frank. Most people think I am batshit crazy, but what they do not know is just how crazy I really am. I suspect very strongly that what is about to happen includes yet another rearrangement of the planets and the possible return of the “gods” (the planets so close to Earth that they loom large in the sky). I see this in simple plasma experiments when a new metal ball is introduced and all of the other little metal balls which appeared to be in a very stable arrangement quickly reorganize themselves. It is even possible that Saturn will reignite and that Earth will have two suns again. Or perhaps Uranus will reignite as it was the dominant gas giant before Proto-Saturn.

This Voyager 2 image of Saturn was acquired on Aug. 4, 1981, from a distance of 21 million kilometers (13 million miles).

Rain versus a tsunami: the answer has been staring us in the face ever since Immanuel Velikovsky’s papers were published

The answer to the question of what happened in 3100 B.C. has been staring us in the face all along. We know there was an Earth crustal displacement (or axial tilt) at the time, but instead of a tsunami, there was rain. That rain was from Proto-Saturn as the Cassini spacecraft recently proved when it was discovered that the water in the rings of Saturn and the water in Earth’s oceans has the same isotopic ratios.

In short, the story of Noah’s Ark dates the explosion of Proto-Saturn.

The “seven days” in Genesis 7:4 and the Book of Jasher was the time it took the water from Proto-Saturn to reach Earth after the initial shock wave that prompted Noah to enter the Ark.

The following translation of The Book of Enoch the Prophet is from The Internet Sacred Text Archive.


1. In those days Noah saw that the earth became inclined, and that destruction approached.
2. Then he lifted up his feet, and went to the ends of the earth, to the dwelling of his great-grandfather Enoch.
3. And Noah cried with a bitter voice, Hear me; hear me; hear me: three times. And he said, Tell me what is transacting upon earth; for the earth labours, and is violently shaken. Surely I shall perish with it.

Sacred-Texts.com, The Book of Enoch the Prophet, translated by Richard Laurence, 1883 [emphasis added]

Then in Genesis, we read [emphasis added]:

Genesis 7:4
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

This flooding is characterized as rain, NOT a tsunami

Presumably, the oceans as we know them now did not exist back then. There were doubtless oceans. The biodiversity of the oceans is such that they must be millions of years old, but they are about to get much larger. This “seven days” is confirmed in the Book of Jasher which again is quoted from The Internet Sacred Text Archive translation.

Book of Jasher, Chapter 6

v10 And all the animals, and beasts, and fowls, were still there, and they surrounded the ark at every place, and the rain had not descended till seven days after.

11 And on that day, the Lord caused the whole earth to shake, and the sun darkened, and the foundations of the world raged, and the whole earth was moved violently, and the lightning flashed, and the thunder roared, and all the fountains in the earth were broken up, such as was not known to the inhabitants before; and God did this mighty act, in order to terrify the sons of men, that there might be no more evil upon earth.

12 And still the sons of men would not return from their evil ways, and they increased the anger of the Lord at that time, and did not even direct their hearts to all this.

13 And at the end of seven days, in the six hundredth year of the life of Noah, the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

14 And all the fountains of the deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened, and the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Sacred-Texts.com, Book of Jasher

This language is fascinating for me.

the waters of the flood were upon the earth

For me, this evokes images of the water from Proto-Saturn approaching the Earth over a period of days.

June 20, 2020: A very personal note from the author

To “suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune” is one thing. To do so without a worthy intellectual pursuit is another. In the year 2012, I determined that if I did nothing else in life, I would discover what I mistakenly referred to as “3200 BC” and write a book with that exact title. As perhaps one of the most abstract thinkers alive, I can tell you from many years of experience, one never knows when truth will arrive. It is much like a flower which blooms when it will. This happens in a day, yet behind this flower is a complex root system, stems, and leaves. I possess only the ability to recognize the truth when it arrives. And this is more art than fact. In a world of opposites, so-called “facts” cannot be trusted. And so on this day, June 20, 2020, I can announce to the handful of people who may hear my voice, I know the day on which the biblical deluge, Noah’s Flood, the Genesis flood narrative, or whatever you want to call it, occurred. That date was precisely recorded in ancient India and is less precisely marked by the Maya Long Count. It was April 20, 3105 BC. Accordingly, I have renamed this page.

I will never write that book. Writing books right now is a waste of time. Making people pay for this knowledge is a moral crime. And the books will all be destroyed in a few short years. Instead, I spend my time writing these webpages with the single-minded goal of one day soon looking into the eyes of a man who listened and then looking down at his son or daughter and knowing I had a purpose in life and a chance to live on this planet without all the insanity that surrounds me now.

Back when I began this journey, one of my favorite links was What Really Happened in 3100 BC? I still recommend this page, which is why I preserve a copy in my ASL library. It has been eight years, but little did I know then where I was headed.

The three great witnesses

Something unspeakably profound happened around 3100 BC. How do we know this?

I work backward 2160 orbits of Jupiter from December 21, 2018, to the start of the calendar in 23,603 BC. This places the start of the last Great Cycle at 3106 BC, which is in perfect agreement with the ancient Yuga Calendar of India. Such an agreement cannot be easily ignored.

It strongly suggests not only that orbits of Jupiter are the basic unit of measurement used in the design of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, but that what I call the “Great Wayeb” was in fact intended to obfuscate the actual end date

The genealogy of Genesis

Genesis does not pr

Shem did not live to be 600 years old

The genealogies in Genesis are being used to encode the passage of time since Proto-Saturn exploded.

Genesis 11: 10-11
These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood: and Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

Scene from the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey

Funny thing about the genealogies in Genesis, people give birth and die on nice rounded numbers such as Shem who gives birth at 100 and dies at 600. And in the genealogy of Shem, Shelah, Peleg, and Serug all give birth at exactly 130 years old, which is just plain weird. I would be remiss if I did not point out that this is emphasizing the number 13. Of course, I am referring to the original text, not the Hebrew Masoretic text (from which Christian Bibles are translated).

(credit Wikipedia)
Critical chart of the missing 650 years from the video “Were the Pyramids Built Before the Flood? (Masoretic Text vs. Original Hebrew)” by Nathan Hoffman (NathanH83 channel on YouTube). This video is available in the next section.

Even Wikipedia becomes suspect about this.

The period from the birth of Shem’s son to Abraham’s migration to Canaan is 365 years, mirroring Enoch’s life-span of 365 years, the number of days in a year. There are 10 Patriarchs between Adam and the Flood and 10 between the Flood and Abraham

…there were exactly 20 kings in both Judah and Israel following Solomon, despite Judah lasting more than a century longer than Israel. “It seems very likely that [some of the minor kings of Israel] have served simply to make up the numbers“.

Chronology of the Bible (Wikipedia) [emphasis added]

The rededication of the Temple by Maccabean forces in 164 BCE is the starting date that must be used to work backward in time and make any practical use of these genealogies for dating events in history. Interestingly, when this Jewish account finally gets to an actual date, the numbers no longer round so nicely. The first step backward is the 374 years between the Edict of Cyrus (538 BCE) and the re-dedication of the Temple.

So what are all these begats really about?

One thing I can tell you for sure, the Jews are NOT trying to provide a “creation date” for James Ussher or any other “Young Earth” Christians

Sorry, I have little patience for these people. And I damned sure don’t care if they are offended by anything I say.

The only other major event between the rededication of the temple and “creation” is Noah, the biblical Flood. That is what is being encoded by the genealogies in Genesis. At the end of Nathan Hoffman’s amazing video in the next section, he asks the question,

Who changed theirs?

“Theirs” is a reference to the Hebrew Masoretic text (from which Christian Bibles are translated). The answer to who changed the genealogies, erasing 650 years from Genesis is not the question. The question is, Why? Why did they change the text? Hoffman thinks he knows why, and maybe he is right. But if he is right about the Masoretes changing the text so that they could prove that Christ Jesus was not the much-awaited Jewish Messiah, they had another, more subtle reason. They are hiding the actual date of the biblical Deluge. What they are doing is no different than what the designers of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar did when they obfuscated their design and the actual end date. There is a little quirk in the text that I think is meant to send a message to the reader. Here is the relevant discussion from Wikipedia:

It seems possible that the period of the Flood is not meant to be included in the count—for example, Shem, born 100 years before the Flood, “begot” his first son two years after it, which should make him 102, but Genesis 11:10–11 specifies that he is only 100, suggesting that time has been suspended.

Wikipedia, Chronology of the Bible

Is this really a mistake? I don’t think so. I think it is comparable to the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar ending on December 16, 2013, five days before the Winter Solstice. I think it is designed to draw your attention to what happened in the time of Noah. By the time Nathan Hoffman gets done extending biblical Deluge back 650 years from 2350 BC, he is at 3000 BC. Not in precise agreement with the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar and the Yuga calendar of India, but close enough that I do not feel the need to try to improve upon his math.

Critically important arguments against Wallace Thornhill’s “some 5,000 years earlier” comment

David Talbott of The Thunderbolts Project™ and Wallace Thornhill of the Electric Universe, though leaders in uncovering the truth about our planet, seldom dable in dates, methinks because they are afraid doing so will only incur derision and distract from what they know for sure. The one time Wallace Thornhill did mention a date was, in his own words, “unfortunate.”

“…the expression ‘the light of the seven days’ refers, in my view, to the seven days preceding the Flood” ―Immanuel Velikovsky from The Light of the Seven Days


This is apparently the wrong video. It will take some time to find the right one.


At 16:41 minutes into the video he states,

“As Velikovsky had stated in an almost offhand manner back in mid 1973 Saturn has somehow flared up in NOVA-like brilliance. It is unfortunate that Velikovsky misplaced the event in time, placing Proto-Saturn’s flareup just ahead of what has come down to us as Noah’s deluge, when there is much better evidence for placing it some 5,000 years earlier during that primeval event that lit up the sky for the very first time during mankind’s sojourn on Earth. In the book of Genesis, this event came to pass when Elohim gave the order to ‘Let there be light.’ But let this not be thought of as a unique biblical event. On the contrary, this sudden shedding of light into what had been a somewhat darkened world is described in various ways in the myth or historical records in just about all ancient nations from Mesopotamia and the rest of the Near East, India in the Far East including China into Egypt down to Africa, Greece and Rome, North America and across the stormy seas to the islands in their midst.”

FInish this: The basic thought is that the Festival of the Lights could not possibly be so vividly remembered from as long ago as 8,000-9,000 years ago, Plato does not mention a bright light, and the giant skeletons are too close to the surface for Proto-Saturn to have gone super nova that long ago. He’s wrong. Velikovsky is right.

The Festival of the Lights

Proto-Saturn really did go nova. Relatively speaking, it happened only yesterday, but the progeny of Jove are determined that we not learn of our Solar System’s actual history. To do so would be to learn that out world is part of a Solar System that is highly prone to cataclysms on an unimaginable scale.

The world was in a dazzling light, sevenfold stronger than the light of the sun; the light was so strong and so brilliant day and night alike, that the sun was entirely overpowered by it; and in the days of Isaiah, thousands of years later, the memory of the light of the seven days was vivid in tradition, so that the prophet could refer to it in desiring to describe the solar light of the messianic age.

Immanuel Velikovsky, The Light of the Seven Days

Indeed, 3100 BC would be “thousands of years later,” for Isaiah (c. 740-681 BC) who said “The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard”

This is essentially the same “common sense” argument as the giant skeletons being found near the surface. The remembrance of the seven days of light is so vivid in the memory of peoples all over the world that it is difficult to imagine the actual event as having been significantly earlier than 3100 BC.

Greg jay’s Festival of the Lights:





As described by Immanuel Velikovsky, “At a date that I would be hard put to task to identify even with approximation, but possibly about than [sic] ten thousand years ago, Saturn was disturbed by Jupiter and exploded, actually became a nova. The solar system and reaches beyond it were illuminated by the exploded star, and in a matter of a week the earth was enveloped in waters of Saturnian origin.” (https://www.varchive.org/ce/sattot.htm).

At some point during a close approach to Jupiter, Saturn became unstable; and, as a result of the influx of extraneous material, it exploded, flaring as a nova which, after subsiding, left a remnant that the ancients still recognized as Saturn, even though it was but a fraction of the celestial body of earlier days. In Saturn’s explosion much of the matter absorbed earlier was thrown off into space. From https://www.varchive.org/itb/satjup.htm

No references to a bright light in Plato


But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.


earthquakes and “excessive rain washed away the earth and laid bare the rock; at the same time there were earthquakes, and then occurred the extraordinary inundation, which was the third before the great destruction of Deucalion.”

The Laws, Book III,

deluges and pestilences, and in many other ways, and of the survival of a remnant?

Venus magnetotail

A “Refuge from Catastrophes”

Rune Øverby

hail = stones

The Immanuel Velikovsky Theories That Outraged Mainstream Scientists [FULL VIDEO]

Giant skeletons found near the surface

The Giant Skeletons are a neutral Issue quote Bible, a different race that naturally died out in the new gravity. This tells us nothing except that their skeletons are being found near the surface. Primarily in North America where erosion could explain depth but their bunkers were still on the surface. Conflicting evidence

Potential Key: Compare depth of skeleton finds to the depth the moai were buried on Easter Island.

The mounds described in Carl Munck’s “The Code” were highly accessible underground bunkers occupied by the giants and designed to protect them from this intermittent death from the sky. They built close to water sources to minimize their time outside during these “death from above” events. The fact that their exterior design encodes their location was probably little more than what we think of as addresses that were useful in tracking who dies and who was still alive. Not all of them did survive. In his book The Ancient Giants who Ruled America, author Richard J. Dehurst paints a vivid picture of one group of giants found huddled in a circle inside their protective mound. They all died together. This archeological evidence brings us spitting close to their reality.


The Jupiter Myth

I think David Talbott and The Thunderbolts Project have gone off the rails. This is why they are placing all their emphasis on the electric universe. It also explains why they are unwilling to put a date on the explosion of Proto-Saturn. The Jupiter Myth is the way forward.


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TITLE: The Jupiter Myth (Preliminary Preview) -Part 2- Catastrophe & Creation / The Silver Age Cosmos
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TITLE: The Jupiter Myth (Preliminary Preview) – Part 3 – Clash of the Titans / The Dragon & The Serpent

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The polar configuration of the planets at midnight with Proto-Saturn in the background

Proto-Saturn defined

What does Proto-Saturn mean? This is a term invented by David Talbott of The Thunderbolts Project™. Here is the definition of proto-:


Proto-Saturn is the planet Saturn when it was our primordial sun before exploding and being removed to a distant orbit (i.e. before it became the planet we know of today). Proto-Saturn was much larger than it is today, larger even than Jupiter and it had no rings. It was part of what David Talbott calls the Polar Configuration of the planets. If you are not familiar with the Polar Configuration, you can read about it in the Archetypes and the Polar Configuration in particular of the Catastrophism 101 page.

Supernova Explosion (“Let there be light”)

Why I use the word “explode” to describe the Proto-Saturn nova

I have elevated this discussion to a separate section because I have been attacked more than once for using the word “explode” to explain what happened to Saturn. And no less than Jno Cook, for whom I have great respect, has vehemently questioned my linking of the fourteen pieces of Osiris to the aftermath of that explosion. Yet the following quote is from was written by a man to whom I think we should all pay homage, for without him we would not know anything about the real history of our solar system:

Saturn exploded and caused the Earth to go through the greatest of its historical catastrophes, and this was completely sufficient to make of Saturn the supreme deity; but it appears that the Age of Saturn is a name for the epoch before the Deluge; after the Deluge Saturn, dismembered, almost ceased to exist as a planetary body and when at length it was reconstituted it was fettered by rings, and was far from being the dominant celestial body that would behoove it as the supreme deity of the epoch.

Immanuel Velikovsky, Saturn’s Golden Age [emphasis added]

Velikovsky in not unacquainted with the term nova. He article entitled simply Nova seems designed to emphasis this fact and to show how “normal” novas should not be confused with what happened immediately prior to and during the biblical deluge. Yet he characterizes what happened as an explosion. Perhaps, as Velikovsky suggests, what “exploded” was the water (as opposed to the light of a nova).

Does not this sound like the Osiris myth? And, even if it sounds to our modern sensibilities outlandish, should we not allow ourselves to be informed as to what happened by the eyewitnesses? Elsewhere he says:

On becoming a nova, it ejected filaments in all directions and the solar system became illuminated as if by a hundred suns. It subsided rather quickly and retreated into far-away regions.

Immanuel Velikovsky, Saturn and Jupiter

Perhaps this close to Earth, the filaments were visible. Or perhaps they were Saturn’s asteroids and comets. Whatever it was, water, filaments, asteroids, or comets, Saturn appeared to have exploded before it went nova. I stand behind my use of the word.

What caused the explosion? Here is what Immanuel Velikovsky says:

As told, the picture that emerges from comparative folklore and mythology presents Saturn and Jupiter in vigorous interactions. Suppose that these two bodies approached each other rather closely at one time, causing violent perturbations and huge tidal effects in each other’s atmospheres. Their mutual disturbance led to a stellar explosion, or nova. As we have seen, a nova is thought to result from an instability in a star, generated by a sudden influx of matter, usually derived from its companion in a binary system. If what we call today Jupiter and Saturn are the products of such a sequence of events, their appearance and respective masses must formerly have been quite different.

A scenario such as this would explain the prominence of Saturn prior to its cataclysmic disruption and dismemberment—it must have been a larger body than it is now, possibly of the volume of Jupiter. Interestingly, for certain reasons G. Kuiper assumed that Saturn originally was of a mass equal to that of Jupiter. At some point during a close approach to Jupiter, Saturn became unstable; and, as a result of the influx of extraneous material, it exploded, flaring as a nova which, after subsiding, left a remnant that the ancients still recognized as Saturn, even though it was but a fraction of the celestial body of earlier days. In Saturn’s explosion much of the matter absorbed earlier was thrown off into space. Saturn was greatly reduced in size and removed to a distant orbit—the binary system was broken up and Jupiter took over the dominant position in the sky.

Saturn could be removed only by the planet Jupiter, the sole member of the planetary family more powerful than Saturn. And indeed, the myth says that Saturn was removed by Jupiter.

Immanuel Velikovsky, Saturn and Jupiter

Notice that I have said nothing about Proto-Saturn “encountering” or being “captured” by the sun.

I profoundly disagree with Wallace Thornhill and the electric universe school of thought; Proto-Saturn was not “captured” by the Sun. Mankind did not live in relative darkness for countless generations. The Zodiac and the Mesoamerican calendars argue against this possibility. The implications of this are nothing less than mind-boggling.

I will return to these “implications” momentarily. But first, it is imperative to address the electric universe’s notion that Proto-Saturn was “captured” by the sun. From the moment I first heard I thought to myself, “This new crop of thinkers can make mistakes as grand as the last.” I fear the reason for this is something buried deep in the human psyche. We insist on being originators. We lack the imagination to place ourselves in what would seem to us to be an infinitely long progression. In short, everything must be recent. It is a sort of deeply ingrained egotism.

The very same essentially narcissistic thought that gave rise to the idea of a Big Bang would now have us believe that Proto-Saturn was “captured” by the sun and that the change from the polar configuration to the present arrangment of the planets is the first time our solar system has ever reconfigured itself in response to extrasolar electromagnetic forces such as our binary dance with the Sirius star system

If we can interpret myth why can we not simply listen to what the ancients are telling us? This has happened before. It will happen again. The Mayans referred to it as a “Great Cycle” every 432 orbits of Jupiter. Every 2160 orbits of Jupiter something even more spectacular happens. The ancient Greeks called it the “Ekpyrosis”

When in the polar configuration as opposed to the present configuration of the planets, there are two suns. Wallace Thornhill says this much in the very same video from which the above image was taken. At 2:15 minutes into the video he says”

“In my home in Australia, the original inhabitants have legends of a time when there were two suns, a greater and a lesser sun” —Wallace Thornhill

Here is the critical question:

If the polar configuration survived for what must have been hundreds if not thousands of years within the sun’s heliosphere, on what basis does the electric universe school of thought rule out the possibility that the polar configuration is not normal for our solar system. Why do they assume it could have been only short-lived and that Proto-Saturn must have been “captured” by the sun?

Proto-Saturn NOT captured by the sun

See also The Still Misunderstood Sheer Genius of Immanuel Velikovsky

The following video discusses Earth’s supposed “capture” by the Sun. There must be another reason for the flare-up, such as a galactic superwave (at the start he says Thornhill addresses the same topic in EU2014 find it)

I find this to be an absurd notion. The ice core temperature record does not support this, neither does Immanuel Velikovsky:

If there is truth in the surmise, and nothing more it is than a surmise, that the Earth was once a satellite of Saturn, the latter must have revolved closer to the sun in order that the Earth should receive heat from it—Saturn exudes little heat—and if the age of Kronos was a golden age, then it is also proper to assume that the conditions on the satellite Earth were not unfavorable for life.

Immanuel Velikovsky, Saturn’s Golden Age

I have serious misgivings about Jergens’ theory that Proto-Saturn flared because the polar configuration was “captured” by the Sun. Who am I to fault the EU team, but I find this absurd. Whatever happened in the 9500 BC timeframe interrupted a 100,000 year, heartbeat-like temperature cycle right as it was approaching an interglacial peak. The ice cores tell us that Earth’s Holocene temperature record thereafter is only two degrees centigrade off the peak it never reached and only eight degrees centigrade (14.4° Fahrenheit) warmer than the lowest recorded temperatures over the past 400,000 years.

Common sense is lacking here. How can you add a yellow dwarf (the Sun) into the equation and only end up with an eight-degree centigrade difference in temperature? That defies logic. Whatever caused Proto-Saturn to flare must be something else, such as one of LaViolette’s galactic superwaves.

Now look at the ice core temperature record for this planet:

Look a little closer:

temperature fluctuation

Earth stabilizes within a few centigrades of the so-called “interglacial” (another subject) peaks of the previous solar system configuration. The new temperature norm is so close to the old range that I cannot agree that Proto-Saturn was “captured” by the Sun. The Sun has always been at the center of the solar system. This is the message of there being 144 Jose solar cycles in the Mesoamerican (misnamed “Mayan”) Long Count calendar.


Adam and Eve

The beginning of our world

If you look at the “δD versus age” (top) chart above, you will see that for about 400,000 years through four different ice ages the temperature record was as regular as a heartbeat. About every 100,000 years there is an interglacial period. Clearly nothing as dramatic as a reconfiguration of the planets in the solar system happened during this time. That leaves only the recent past in which this could have happened because had the giants died over 400,000 years ago their skeletons would not be so close to the surface. In fact, had they died that long ago, there would be no giant skeletons at any depth.

The polar configuration viewed from Earth

Nothing will ever be the same

Earth has two pasts now. One is gone and will never return. That was the world spoken of by David Talbott in which Proto-Saturn was our primary Sun. This has profound implications for the correct interpretation of our planet’s temperature record. Most import of all is that the Milankovitch Cycles cannot be projected back in time to explain glaciation. As another example, the following quote from Wikipedia is completely meaningless when you stop to consider that 400,000 years ago Earth was part of the polar configuration. Why? Because Earth was on a completely different orbital path. So the “orbital parameters” 400,000 years ago were completely different. Everything was.

The interglacial 400 kyr ago, which is believed (from arguments about the configuration of the orbital parameters of the earth) to be an approximate analogue to the current interglacial, was quite long: 28 kyr. The Nature paper argues that if this analogue is accepted, the current climate would be expected to continue like today’s, in the absence of human influence (which it states is unlikely, given the predicted increases in greenhouse gas concentrations).

Wikipedia, European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica

Prior to the stabilization of the present configuration of the planets, which clearly did not happen until after 747 BC,

This is our world

our world

See also


The polar configuration

  • Mesopotamia could not have survived so intact. The same could be said about the other cultures mention in the “See also” not above COMPARE TO 9500 DAMAGE AREA
  • supported by all the advanced thinkers on the subject including notably David Talbott of The Thunderbolts Project™ and Wallace Thornhill of the Electric Universe, and Jno Cook
  • start dates of the two ancient calendars

The Talmud says it was an axial tilt

“Seven days before the deluge, the Holy One changed the primeval order and the sun rose in the west and set in the east”

“the sun rose in the west and set in the east” cannot be Proto-Saturn

Get to the bottom of this.

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Enoch Says It was an axial tilt

The Book of Enoch

Note that chapter numbers seem to vary by translation. The Book of Enoch can be read as Noah perceiving an axial tilt and boardig ship before the super tsunamis that follow.





FROM http://destination-yisrael.biblesearchers.com/destination-yisrael/2010/08/as-in-the-days-of-noah-the-earth-tilted-and-became-inclined-and-sudden-destruction-came-upon-the-ear.html

If it were not for the Book of Enoch, we would not have any Hebrew textual or scriptural precedent for many of the apocalyptic phrases in the John’s Apocalypse of Revelation. So when the days of the coming of the Messiah are foretold, let us look at what happened to this planet earth as stated in the Book of Enoch.

Book of Enoch – “In those days, Noah saw that the earth became inclined, and that destruction approached.”

According to the Book of Enoch, just before the flood of Noah,this planet earth tilted on its axis or as the text says, it “became inclined.” Compare this text with another Hebrew book, also not found in the Biblical canon but was quoted from in the Old Testament. This book was called the Megillah (Scroll) of Yashir (Jasher) and compared its description with the Book of Revelation.

Jasher 6:1“And on that day (Flood), the Lord causedthe whole earth to shake, and the sun darkened, and the foundations of the world rages, and the whole earth was moved violently, and the lightning flashed and the thunder roared, and all the fountains in the earth were broken up….”

Revelation 12-14 – “I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood, and the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.”

FROM http://book-ofenoch.com/chapter-64-sect-xi/

Chapter 64 [SECT. XI.]

1. In those days Noah saw that the earth became inclined, and that destruction approached.

2. Then he lifted up his feet, and went to the ends of the earth, to the dwelling of his great-grandfather Enoch.

3. And Noah cried with a bitter voice, Hear me; hear me; hear me: three times. And he said, Tell me what is transacting upon earth; for the earth labours, and is violently shaken. Surely I shall perish with it.

FROM http://www.livius.org/sources/about/1-enoch/ (GOOD OVERVIEW)

This complex work was extremely influential and is very important. It is the oldest known Jewish apocalyptic text -older than the canonical book of Daniel



Also known as 1 Enoch, or Ethiopian Enoch
Translated by R. H. Charles


Also known as 1 Enoch, or Ethiopian Enoch
Translated by Richard Laurence

Chapter 65, LXV Chapter 64, LXIV
1. And in those days Noah saw the earth that it had sunk down and its destruction was nigh. 1. In those days Noah saw that the earth became inclined, and that destruction approached.
3. And I said unto him: ‘ Tell me what it is that is falling out on the earth And he said, Tell me what is transacting upon the earth; for the earth labours,
that the earth is in such evil plight and shaken, and is violently shaken.

FROM https://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_2.HTM


From-The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament
H.R. Charles Oxford: The Clarendon Press

[Chapter 65]

1, 2 And in those days Noah saw the earth that it had sunk down and its destruction was nigh. And he arose from thence and went to the ends of the earth, and cried aloud to his grandfather Enoch: 3 and Noah said three times with an embittered voice: Hear me, hear me, hear me.’ And I said unto him: ‘ Tell me what it is that is falling out on the earth that the earth is in such evil plight 4 and shaken, lest perchance I shall perish with it ?

FROM http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe068.htm

The Book of Enoch, by R.H. Charles, [1917], at sacred-texts.com

LXV. Enoch foretells to Noah the Deluge and his own Preservation.


1. And in those days Noah saw the earth that it had sunk down and its destruction was nigh. 2. And he arose from thence and went to the ends of the earth, and cried aloud to his grandfather Enoch: and Noah said three times with an embittered voice: Hear me, hear me, hear me.’ 3. And I said unto him: ‘Tell me what it is that is falling out on the earth that the earth is in such evil plight and shaken, lest perchance I shall perish with it?’

FROM http://wesley.nnu.edu/index.php?id=2126

Book of Enoch

From-The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament R.H. Charles Oxford: The Clarendon Press

[Chapter 65]

1, 2 And in those days Noah saw the earth that it had sunk down and its destruction was nigh. And he arose from thence and went to the ends of the earth, and cried aloud to his grandfather Enoch: 3 and Noah said three times with an embittered voice: Hear me, hear me, hear me.’ And I said unto him: ‘ Tell me what it is that is falling out on the earth that the earth is in such evil plight 4 and shaken, lest perchance I shall perish with it ‘

FROM http://www.summascriptura.com/html/Enoch_1_GHS.html#64

The Book of Enoch
(aka 1 Enoch, or Ethiopic Enoch)

Translated by George H. Schodde (1882)

The Book of Enoch ~ Chapter 65 {Top}
65:1 65:1 And in those days Noah saw the earth that it was curved, and that its destruction was near.65:2 And he lifted up his feet from there, and went to the ends of the earth, and called to his grandfather Enoch; RHC RL
65:3and Noah said with a bitter voice: “Hear me! hear me! hear me!” three times.65:3 And he said to him: “Tell me what is it that has been done on the earth, that the earth is so tired out RHC RL
65:4and shaken? May I not be destroyed with it!


Research notes

Wrong event, but an interesting collection of 3100 BC data the deserves scrutiny:

The Seven Destructive Earth Passes of Comet Venus

“something came close enough to Earth to melt rock”

Czech Mate – “Confirmation” of the Younger Dryas impact event

King Tutankhamun’s dagger

Bronze Age Iron Weapons


1200 BC


Thanks Catherine. I have a copy of Forgotten Civilization: The Role of Solar Outbursts in Our Past and Present and have added it to my read list for solving this problem. The thing that is exciting about “solar flare” resources is that they potentially support a local nova such as Proto-Saturn exploding, I would especially say this about the Paul A LaViolette resource Joshua Roberts provided (above). I very seriously doubt that either he or Schoch have considered that their physical evidence could be traced back to an explosion of Proto-Saturn rather than a superflare coming from our current Sun.